In this engaging episode, Brian Nelson-Palmer interviews Skye Waterson, founder of Unconventional Organisation, who challenges common myths about ADHD while sharing research-backed strategies for productivity.
As a former academic turned entrepreneur who has ADHD herself, Skye offers unique insights about how ADHD can actually be an entrepreneurial advantage when properly managed.
The conversation explores practical tools for focusing, including Skye's innovative "dopamine dial" approach, and reveals the surprising fact that many successful CEOs and business leaders have ADHD, making this episode valuable for both people with ADHD and those who work with them.
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References In This Episode
Brian’s article on Tech Hacks to avoid the neverending social media rabbit hole.
Skye’s LinkedIn profile
The ADHD Skill’s Lab Podcast by Unconventional Organisation
Episode Digest
"Your boss probably has ADHD. More likely than you. Your CEO almost definitely has ADHD."
This surprising insight sets the tone for a fascinating exploration of how ADHD manifests in the workplace and why it might be more of an asset than traditionally believed.
ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder) is often misunderstood. While commonly associated with childhood, many adults deal with it daily, experiencing persistent issues around restlessness, distraction, and feeling like they're being "driven by a motor." For those who have it, it can feel like being simultaneously foggy and jangly - similar to when you haven't gotten enough sleep and then had too much coffee.
"On a very practical level, what ADHD means is basically it's about persistent and pervasive issues around restlessness, distraction, people who feel like they're being driven by a motor... Some people say it's issues with too much attention."
Common Myths Debunked
Several prevalent myths about ADHD were addressed during the discussion:
1. "Medication is the only way to manage ADHD at work"
This is false. While medication can be helpful, it's just one tool in what should be a comprehensive toolbox. Other effective strategies include exercise, movement, organizational systems, and environmental modifications. The key is having multiple management strategies available, as medication effectiveness can vary over time or become inaccessible.
2. "People with ADHD can't be detail-oriented"
This is partially false. While people with ADHD might not be detail-oriented across all aspects of life, they can be incredibly detail-focused in areas of interest. As one expert noted, "I've never met anyone with ADHD who's detail-oriented across everything."
3. "Someone with ADHD can't handle leadership roles"
This myth is completely false. In fact, many entrepreneurs and CEOs have ADHD. The condition often comes with strengths in creative problem-solving, quick decision-making, and innovative thinking - qualities that can be valuable in leadership positions.
Practical Management Strategies
The discussion revealed several actionable strategies for managing ADHD:
The Dopamine Dial Approach
Instead of attempting a complete "dopamine detox," which can be counterproductive for people with ADHD, try the "dopamine dial" method. This involves gradually reducing distractions rather than eliminating them entirely. For example:
Start by turning off notifications while keeping some background noise
Gradually transition from video content to audio
Eventually move to just music or ambient sound
Find your personal sweet spot for background stimulation
"Sometimes you need to have some form of low-level stimulation in order to focus... silence can actually be quite loud."
Managing Hyper-Focus
While often considered a superpower of ADHD, hyper-focus needs proper management to be truly beneficial. Without strategies to control it, hyper-focus can lead to burnout or misdirected energy. The key is learning both how to:
Channel it toward priority tasks
Step out of it systematically to avoid exhaustion
"Hyper-focus really is mostly for things that you're interested in. So if you're like, 'I'm going to hyper-focus on my really boring job,' the chances are that's going to be pretty difficult."
Workplace Considerations
For managers and colleagues working with someone who has ADHD, the most effective approach is to focus on optimization rather than diagnosis. Instead of pointing out potential ADHD traits, ask:
"How do you work best?"
"How can I help you work in that way?"
This approach benefits everyone, regardless of whether they have ADHD, and avoids potentially uncomfortable conversations about diagnosis.
Environmental Setup
Consider all five senses when creating a productive workspace:
Visual: Plants, pleasing decor
Auditory: Appropriate background noise
Tactile: Comfortable seating and tools
Other sensory inputs that help maintain focus without overwhelming
The key takeaway is that ADHD management isn't about forcing yourself into a conventional productivity model. Instead, it's about understanding your unique needs and creating systems that work with, rather than against, your natural tendencies. Whether you have ADHD or work with someone who does, the goal is to create an environment and systems that support executive functioning for everyone.
Remember: what works for one person may not work for another. The best approach is to experiment with different strategies and build a personalized toolkit of techniques that you can deploy as needed. Success isn't about eliminating ADHD traits - it's about learning to harness them effectively while managing potential challenges.
Chapters
00:00 Understanding ADHD: A Personal Journey
03:18 The Practical Implications of ADHD
06:00 Recognizing ADHD: When to Seek Help
07:45 Executive Functioning and Support Strategies
09:16 Myths and Misconceptions about ADHD
18:40 Medication vs. Alternative Strategies for ADHD
21:12 Toolbox for Managing ADHD
27:43 Myth Busting ADHD Management
32:14 Detail Orientation and ADHD
33:32 Leadership Roles and ADHD
38:40 Hyperfocus: A Double-Edged Sword
42:04 Recommendations for Productivity
46:30 Personal Journey and Vision for Change
Today’s Guest
Skye Waterson
Academic turned ADHD Coach & Founder of Unconventional Organisation
Skye Waterson founded Unconventional Organisation, an international ADHD support service, after receiving her own ADHD diagnosis during her PhD studies. She transformed her personal experience into research-based strategies, authoring over 50 articles reaching 250,000+ readers. Her expertise has attracted clients ranging from healthcare professionals to Fortune 500 directors, including consulting work with the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service.
As host of the ADHD Skills Lab podcast (100k+ downloads), she features prominent ADHD experts and leaders. Through her coaching program, writing, and speaking engagements, she helps adults with ADHD develop practical strategies for creating focused, balanced lives. Her work has been featured on multiple podcasts and she regularly speaks to professional networks about ADHD management.
Connect with her at:
linkedin.com/in/skye-waterson
UnconventionalOrganisation.com
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Transcript
Brian Nelson-Palmer (00:06)
I'm Brian Nelson-Palmer and on this show I share personal practical productivity skills. And In this episode we're talking about ADHD Inspired Productivity Let's do myth busting and what you can learn from this condition And with me on the show today is Skye Waterson who's a former academic and the founder of the company Unconventional Organisation which supports business owners with ADHD Skye, thanks so much for joining me today.
Skye Waterson (00:35)
Yeah, it's wonderful to be here.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (00:38)
And say a little bit about your background. We're talk about ADHD today. So talk about how you're related to that topic.
Skye Waterson (00:44)
Yeah, so I'm a former academic. That's what I thought I was going to be doing for the rest of my life. When I started my PhD after a couple of burnouts, I decided I needed to figure out what was going on. So I went to my learning center. They did a bunch of tests on me and they said, we think you have adult ADHD. And I was like, I think you're mistaken. I think that's only something that you can have when you're a kid. And that took me on the whole journey of, you know, researching it.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (01:11)
Yeah.
Skye Waterson (01:13)
I'm an academic, I couldn't help myself, you know, writing articles and eventually founding this company.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (01:20)
And for those now we've been using the acronym ADHD. It used to be called ADD, but what does that stand for?
Skye Waterson (01:26)
Attention deficit hyperactive disorder, but you can also have it as attention deficit hyperactive disorder primarily inattentive. The names have been shifting around a little bit.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (01:37)
You know, they get fancy with the acronyms and then want to change it a little more. And so, what does that mean on a very practical level?
Skye Waterson (01:39)
Yeah.
On a very practical level, what ADHD means is basically it's about persistent and pervasive issues around restlessness, distraction, people who feel like they're being driven by a motor. Those are kind of the things that, issues with attention. Some people say it's issues with too much attention. Those are the things you're having with ADHD.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (02:13)
I see. Okay. And I the people that are doing ADHD work right now?
Skye Waterson (02:19)
Great question. I think the biggest difference, at least the one that people have said that they've sort of appreciated the most, is that I work from primary sources. So I'm lucky enough to have been an academic. I have an understanding of how to read neuroscience papers, things like that. we have a researcher on our team who sources journal articles about ADHD, and we read those and use those to develop the systems that we then
use over time with one-on-one clients and eventually it become part of my group coaching program. And that's really how we develop our systems. So whenever you're learning something with us, you have that knowledge that it's coming from that research background.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (03:05)
I see. So it's coming from academics, not just from what Skye thinks is cool or something like that.
Skye Waterson (03:11)
No, no,
what Skye thinks is cool. Occasionally I will say it, but then I'll be like, there is no data to support this. So.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (03:18)
Fair enough. That's good. I love it. Alright, so let's jump into the topic today. we talked about ADHD and you talked about it being like a motor or inability to focus or now I'm not a person who has been diagnosed or I don't think I that I suffer from this. So how would you know and for a layman who doesn't understand it at all...
Skye Waterson (03:37)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (03:42)
what is it like? How would you describe it? Like share some examples.
Skye Waterson (03:45)
That's a great question. So I guess, have you ever had a day where you didn't get enough sleep and you just could not focus? You were just banging around all over the place, tired, but also too tired. Have you ever had that experience?
Brian Nelson-Palmer (03:59)
Yes, certainly.
Skye Waterson (04:00)
What does that
feel like to you?
Brian Nelson-Palmer (04:04)
I mean, it just feels like everything's foggy. for me at least, that's maybe slow to respond, slow to be able to come up with the answers that I need.
Skye Waterson (04:09)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.
And then maybe you have coffee to feel better, right? In that moment, you might have coffee and now everything's foggy. You're a bit slow and you're a bit jangly at the same time. That can kind of be what it feels like to have ADHD all the time.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (04:28)
Right.
Goodness, gotcha. but if you've like, know there's plenty of there are, know adults that have been diagnosed much later in life. So you might like that's just the way that you've always been. So what's the point at which maybe you should talk to somebody about it versus this is just normal or is this one of those things where everybody should just go get the test just for funsies to see or like what do you think?
Skye Waterson (04:46)
Mm-hmm.
Well, the test
is really expensive. So most of the time if people are getting the test, you're usually like I remember there was a big thing in Britain around people being diagnosed and how they were being diagnosed but the person who actually from the NHS who was talking about this said look if people are paying like a thousand dollars to get an ADHD diagnosis, they've probably got something. It's just whether it's ADHD or not, you know, usually it's become
Brian Nelson-Palmer (05:02)
Okay.
Skye Waterson (05:24)
Like a straw that breaks the camel's back. It's gotten to such a point where we're like, okay, now it's a problem. So, I mean, in terms of people not realizing that happens, like we're so used to being in our own head, in our own world. We just assume that it's this difficult or this easy for other people. mean, ADHD has strengths as well as weaknesses. So we just kind of assume that this is how everybody else's lives are. They also, you know, can't turn on an oven without also turning on a timer so that they don't burn the house down.
So this has kind of been the case for a lot of people.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (06:00)
So let me say it this way. I feel like there's a spectrum, right? It's not like an on or off switch. You either are or you aren't. It's not like that. It's probably some sort of like spectrum of people have different abilities to focus and not focus and that kind of stuff. So what would your advice be to someone who's
Skye Waterson (06:03)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (06:22)
Not really sure. Like maybe, maybe not. What's the first step to start down that path without jumping to the $1000 test?
Skye Waterson (06:25)
Yeah.
So One of the first things I would say is that getting support for executive functioning is helpful with ADHD. So if you're talking about, know, I mean, we work with people who are diagnosed and undiagnosed because one, it takes ages to get a test and it's very expensive, but two, executive functioning support doesn't require medication to get supported. Like medication is obviously a helpful part of that, but you can get that through strategies as well. So my recommendation would be
If you feel like this is ringing true for you, have a look at ADHD support that's out there. and start using it because there's no rule that says you can't, you can't use it. can't start getting prioritized and focused now and then, you know, get the diagnosis later on.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (07:18)
And you know, I would say like you and I both talk. I mean, Productivity Gladiators about being more productive. And I have a lot of conversations with folks about ADHD and this kind of thing, too, because ultimately what it is is all the different things that have been holding you back from being productive. And so I agree that ultimately, if there is a resource out there that helps you focus a little better, you don't need a diagnosis or a test or a something to level up your
Skye Waterson (07:23)
Mm-hmm.
I imagine.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (07:45)
productivity If you know that this is something that you could use some help with. I'm here Skye is here like start exploring some of the free stuff that we've got sitting out there that you can use and see if it helps you. Because ultimately we're just all trying to be better human beings anyway, regardless of whether we put ADHD as a title in front of it or not. Like let's just be more productive so. I like that a lot.
Skye Waterson (07:56)
Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. I mean, I like to give things away. If you guys, an Unconventional Organisation on Instagram, I'll send you my prioritization filter, how you get focused. it's all there. It's all free because I want people to have the strategies. And I think a lot of people feel like that, you know, these systems are accessible. They are usable. then.
When you get the diagnosis, then you can have that conversation about medication as well. It's about having all the tools in your toolbox, know, mental health, executive strategies, medication, like health, exercise. There's research that movement helps your working memory. So, yeah, things like that.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (08:49)
Now this episode, we're going to talk about some of the myths and do some myth busting here, but ultimately I do want to say that this episode is focused on, it's not just the person who potentially has trouble focusing or ADHD or whatever it is. It's also the people that work with them, the managers that oversee them. It's something that everybody should be aware of. And so I want, I'm going to speak to this. I want us to speak to this.
Skye Waterson (09:02)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (09:16)
both from the lens of the person who has it, but also from the people that love them and work with them. I want to look at it from both of those situations as we talk about this. let's do some, let's talk about that then first. What's the biggest misconception that managers or coworkers have about working with someone who has ADHD?
Skye Waterson (09:24)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Number one, it's probably the boss. Because a ton of entrepreneurs and CEOs have ADHD diagnosed and undiagnosed. Those are primarily the people I work with. So number one, it's probably the boss. Not necessarily, but statistically, you're probably looking at that. And number two, it's probably something you're not spotting.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (09:44)
Wait, wait, what? Say that again. It's probably the Boss?
Okay.
Skye Waterson (10:08)
A lot of people have ADHD and it goes unnoticed. Not everybody has the classic ADHD and the people who have the classic ADHD have more likely been already identified as having ADHD. there are people in your organization that you don't that, know, are struggling with this. They might have ADHD. They might not know it. You might not know it. It's very under diagnosed despite what people think. And so this is something that, you know, it's about
Creating a flexible environment to support executive functioning for everybody. For people with ADHD, but also for Brian when he didn't get enough sleep that day. You know what I mean? For everybody.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (10:49)
Right?
Yeah. And you keep saying that phrase executive functioning. What do you mean?
Skye Waterson (10:54)
So that's a really great question. When you look at the research, which I've done, there is not a 100 % definition of executive functioning, which is crazy, but there it is, because we're still figuring it out. There's like whole books on working memory. But basically what it means is that it's the systems that you might take for granted that allow you to remember that you need to
put the washing on when you get back and not necessarily write that down or to know that there's been 10 minutes and you only have 10 minutes left to go or actually understand what it means when someone says, could you please plan, you know, what is the timeline on this? When could you get this to me and have some information for that? There are a lot of people out there for ADHD reasons, but also for, you know, mental health and then also brain trauma reasons who don't have those skills.
And that along with impulsivity are the primary deficits when it comes to ADHD.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (11:58)
And impulsivity, say more on that. What do mean?
Skye Waterson (12:01)
So impulsivity is this idea of basically when you look at the brain, there's like a bit at the front. Sorry guys, I'm gonna go nerd for a minute. That's got like the prefrontal cortex. It's the prefrontal cortex. And so there seems to be a difference in how you're wired when you have ADHD where everything just is a bit closer. So where someone else might take a beat, we just go for it. Where someone else might say,
Brian Nelson-Palmer (12:13)
Let's it. Let's do it. Yeah. huh. Okay.
Skye Waterson (12:30)
Yeah, but I can't get up right now because I'm in a conference and that would be weird. We're like, get up, you know, so, or if it's primarily inattentive where other people might say, I have to keep focused on the class that I'm listening to or the lecture that I'm listening to. We might be off, you know, thinking about something else, coming up with a new idea, leading our team in a different direction, but it's just such an exciting idea. You guys don't understand. So like that is very ADHD.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (12:37)
Got it.
Got it. It's the look at the shiny thing over there. Thing and what's funny about that too and we should. I totally want to point this out right now is that. Our cell phones do this to us all the time because of all those notifications and the pop ups and the thing it wants our attention and so the world.
Skye Waterson (13:04)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (13:26)
Currently, one of the biggest things, one of the most valuable things that you can give in the world right now is your focus and your attention, your time. You can give them your time. And all of the apps on your phone want your time. They make money when you spend time on their app. So they have notifications and ads and all the things to try to get your attention. So being able to stay focused and not, ooh, look at the shiny thing is a, is a productivity superpower. it's, it's a very important thing.
Skye Waterson (13:33)
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
becoming a struggle for everybody.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (13:56)
Right. And so like doing simple things like turning off, I turn off notifications for every single app except maybe three or four that are communication because it's urgent. Otherwise, I want to go in when I want to go in, not when you, Mr. App, want me to sign on so that you can get my attention and like stuff like that you have control over. And if you do that, my gosh, you just don't even understand the dividends. It'll pay per year.
Skye Waterson (14:05)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
But I will say, know, Brian, that I do have a disagreement with the idea of the dopamine detox, because we talk about this idea of a dopamine detox. Have you heard of this phrase kind of similar to what you're talking about?
Brian Nelson-Palmer (14:34)
Dopamine detox is that basically like don't use your phone or don't look at your phone. Okay.
Skye Waterson (14:39)
Just like don't have a phone.
Don't have a phone. mean, the most extreme example is like, you know, wake up, no phone, no music in silence, have a cold shower, you know, go outside and you know, that kind of thing. It's, you know, sort of aesthetic kind of way of doing things. I disagree with that for ADHD for a very specific reason. And that is because
Brian Nelson-Palmer (14:57)
Okay.
Skye Waterson (15:04)
What we're looking at when we look at the neuroscience of ADHD, and this is not locked in neuroscientists are still figuring a lot of this stuff out, is that we seem to be operating at a lower level of dopamine, which means when we start something and you have it, when you're neurotypical, so you don't have ADHD and you start something, your brain kind of gives you a thumbs up like, yeah, you're going to get a reward. This is awesome. Like we know that. we're giving you the chemicals, make you feel good. When we have ADHD, there seems to be a bit of a gap there.
where our brain just looks at us and goes, what the heck are we doing? This sucks. And so when you just remove dopamine in that way, you're actually just putting yourself in a position where you're either going to be very unhappy or you're going to just continually break your own rules and feel bad about it. So I have an alternative that I've developed, which I can share if you'd like.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (16:00)
sure I will with an intro like that. Now I'm just curious like OK, are really so little. don't know if we want to sidetrack from all the myths, but I mean you can't toss something out like that and not finish. Come on, what do you got?
Skye Waterson (16:04)
Yeah.
Yeah, so basically I talk about the dopamine dial. And so what that is, is it's just the idea of going, okay, let's see where you're at in terms of the distractions that you have right now. And then let's just dial it down rather than turn it off. So it's like dial, not switch that concept. So if you're the person who's always getting distracted by your phone notifications, could we turn those off and maybe listen to something instead of watching something?
Like kind of like, then from there, like maybe from there we could say, let's just go to music. Let's just turn it off, like bringing the levels down so that it doesn't feel as horrible. A lot of what I do with ADHD is about reducing that bad feeling of just going from dopamine to no dopamine.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (16:59)
I see I'm drawing a parallel in my head here with the phrase that I use a lot is the there's three types of people in the world. There's the people who make it happen. The people who watch it happen and the people who wonder what happened. And so I feel like in specifically for notifications on your phone, your phone is the one who is making it happen. You're watching it happen. You're like, here's this. And then here's this. And I want to put you back in the let's make it happen.
Skye Waterson (17:12)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (17:28)
department where you decide. So like, yes, if you want to check your phone, awesome, do it. Or like I have a, have an article that I did that still gets a lot of people just stumble across this article. Cause I guess people must be Googling it or something, but they, there's an article that I did on how to, little tech hacks that you can use to help avoid the never ending rabbit hole of social media where we can get rid of, like I use an app that lets you get rid of the newsfeed so that when you go in there, yeah.
Skye Waterson (17:29)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (17:58)
Oh my gosh, it's been a game changer because now I go in there and I don't have the never ending scroll. It's not even on the screen, but I can go in, check the messages, check the notifications. You can respond to them. You can use social media exactly the same way, just without the newsfeed. And so something like that where you're back in the I feel like when you're talking about dopamine dial and to me, I think of it as getting back in the driver's seat on. OK, this is what I want right now, not what.
Skye Waterson (18:00)
So good.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (18:26)
something else has decided I should get my attention.
Skye Waterson (18:29)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And agree long term, I want the same thing, helping you focus, helping you, you know, do it. I just want to make it do it in a doable way.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (18:40)
I feel like that's a that's a tagline for website somewhere. Skye do it in a doable way. Let's say yes, I love it. Alright, so then let's alright. So myth busting now I'm what I'm going to do is basically share. I've got things that I've heard people say overtime about ADHD and so then you tell tell me tell us is it True or not true and comment on it. So the first one is.
Skye Waterson (18:44)
Yeah, probably.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (19:07)
Medication is the only way to manage ADHD at work.
Skye Waterson (19:12)
Yeah, that's not true. No. So a couple of reasons. First of all, will say medication can be a helpful thing. I have seen a lot of people really benefit from medication, but it's a journey. I've also seen a lot of people go on medication and then find themselves in a position where the medication wasn't as good as it was before.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (19:13)
Not true. Say more.
Skye Waterson (19:34)
I've seen people lose access to that medication because the system stopped giving it to them in different ways. That's the fun thing. I've seen people have hormonal shifts that mean the medication isn't working anymore. And I've seen people just really not benefit from it. I don't take medication. People often ask me, I don't take medication because I want to be as ADHD as possible because I want to figure out a bunch of strategies. So that's why I'm out here just doing it.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (20:04)
Is that true? You do that? there you go. You're that person out there like, look at me! I got it!
Skye Waterson (20:04)
Yeah, it's
like, yeah, the natural version. But I think medication is really helpful. So, no, there's tons of other strategies. Some of them for other people work better. They work in tandem. Sometimes you'll have a period of your life where you especially were talking about like perimenopause, things like that. Women talk about that much more now.
where medication just won't seem to be working anymore. So having the strategies is useful. You want to have both. And sometimes the government will just take away the medication because they don't have it anymore. So it's always good to have something else.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (20:45)
Yeah,
government or insurance for that matter, you change the parents and all of a sudden it's not covered and it goes from $40 for a month to like 500 and then you that's not going to work. Yeah, totally.
Skye Waterson (20:48)
Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. And
they all work. They all work and they all work well together.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (21:01)
And so when we're talking about that was medication is the only way to manage ADHD. So instead you're talking about some of the other tactics and strategies that you teach or that I teach or like those kinds of productivity things that help you.
Skye Waterson (21:12)
Yeah. Or exercise
or movement, things like that as well. You know, I would say if you wanted to get an answer to that, it would be like, there are a toolbox of things that support ADHD and having a toolbox available to you is the best way to manage your ADHD.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (21:31)
I love that I'm thinking about the the scene or the moment in your life where there is a looming deadline for something at work and you've got to get it done. So what do you do to get into work mode to get that thing done? You started this long time ago in school. It was the paper is due tomorrow. You have 12 hours to submit, so like you have to. It's not an option anymore. So then what? What do you do? Do you know? Do you have the tools like I absolutely have?
Skye Waterson (21:40)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
yeah, I know exactly what you
do.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (22:00)
Sky has tools,
but my question for you listening is, do you have those tools and what are they? Many people have one tool and what we're talking about here is, especially for folks who might struggle with focus, you might need more than one tool. Like maybe there should be three or four so you could try one and then try another or put them together like I hey, I Sky I want maybe I'll put you on the spot. You could share one. Here's one of mine. Might I have my turbo focus mode when I really I gotta dial it in like it's gotta be now.
Skye Waterson (22:29)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (22:30)
There's no I got
right now. have to get all these things done before the end of the day. Let's go. I use focus music and I'll drop the link to the article I wrote on this in the notes to this episode. But ultimately, what it is is there's a certain type of music where it changes every there's a there's a bunch of studies that were done on the amount of time that you can focus. And it's generally from like one to three minutes. And then your brain kind of wants a little shift or something.
And so what they've done is they have music that is created so that it is the same continuous, repetitive beat for the appropriate amount of time. Thirty seconds to a minute. It changes its actual music. It's not like weird techno stuff. It's actually like good music that you can listen to. They have it in all different genres. They do it in classical. They do it in house. They do it in rock. But it's the same. And then it changes. And so it allows you.
to what the research says and what it does for me. The reason it works so good for me is because I'm a music person. And for me, that little bit of shift every 30 seconds to a minute, the beat changes and then something changes and it allows. It's like a freaking zombie mode like I and I'm so mad that I didn't discover this until I was in my 30s because I really wish I would have had focus music when I was in school. God, that would have been so helpful. But man, put the focus music in the headphones, the noise canceling with the AirPods like I'm dialed in.
It's like I feel like Superman, like all of a sudden it's just I'm dialed in. That's it. So that's one of mine. What's one of your Skye?
Skye Waterson (24:04)
So I teach the step into focus routine and I do everything I teach. So, yeah, see previous note, not medicated. so the, you know, one of the, things that I do is basically going from a high focus space to a low focus state. So you're kind of like, sorry, a high dopamine distraction state to a low dopamine distraction state. So you're kind of up here, you're on your phone. You don't want to do the thing you're on your couch. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. You're scrolling. You're kind of trying to get yourself there.
And then you have the space where you're actually doing the thing. And there's a big gap in the middle of those two things, which is the resistance. People have called it like something's eating their soul. They feel like they have a heavy weight. Like there's a lot of like, and usually what people do is they will wait until the very, very last minute to, you know, get the motivation to push through that thing. What I teach is essentially adding steps in and doing each of those steps to
be like, okay, well, can do the first step. And then when I'm doing the first step, I can do the second step. And so you get to the part where you're focused without having to do that resistance. And your thing is very much part of that. you know, one of the first stings you do is, I recommend with ADHD, give yourself a reward for sitting down at your desk to do the thing. Because so often, you know, we, again, the research, we're not getting it. Yep.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (25:26)
Sweet.
I want you to do imagine this. So this is you now do a scenario. So this what does this look like? I'm curious. So you got steps. What does it look like? You're going to sit down. You got a deadline looming. Walk us through it. What is that?
Skye Waterson (25:35)
Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Okay. So what I do is I will grab myself a cup of coffee decaf these days, probably something nice to eat. And I'll sit down and I'll actually watch a YouTube video first because I would never get to my desk otherwise. Different people have different things. Some people want to read an article. Sometimes YouTube is too distracting for them, but something that you will finish pretty quickly.
And then from there, I'll sort of watch it. And then at that point, I'll turn off my notifications and everything that's going to distract me because I'm in a pretty good feeling, pretty good and feeling pretty generous with myself at that point. And then from there, I'll grab a post-it note that I have by my desk and I'll write down exactly what I want to get done during this period of time. Like it's a recipe, like someone else is going to do it and I'm going to leave the room. And
That will give me what I need to actually understand when I get distracted halfway through, which I will where I was at and kind of keep in the zone. At that point, know, YouTube starts to be a bit too distracting. So I will dial it down to like a podcast or maybe straight down to music, depending on how I feel. Your music is a great example. And then, you know, from there, I will open the application and I'll just tinker around in a little bit, write a few headings.
Write some notes, no pressure to get started just yet. But once I've done that, I'm feeling good, I'm not distracted, I know what I need to do, some things down. At that point, inertia kind of goes the other way and I just get started.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (27:10)
And then you get started. Cool. OK, I like that. It steps. That's funny for me. I just jump right in deep end headphones in like no force it to make it happen. And I like that is a very different approach, which is, yeah, let's step into it. And, know, it's OK if you've got to do it by the end of the day, taking five minutes to ease into it versus like, no, now like totally.
Skye Waterson (27:18)
Mm hmm. It's gonna happen.
You
know, person listening, you know how long you procrastinated on that. It might've been days. So 20 minutes is not that big of a deal.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (27:43)
Right, true story. The deadline doesn't change either when you have to have it done by isn't going to end either is change either. So yes, I the that's interesting. Thanks for that, Sky. That's cool. OK, all right. So rewinding, we were talking about myth busting. The first one was that medication is the only way to manage ADHD at work. Here's the next one. I need to watch TV while I'm working to help me focus. Myth or not myth?
Skye Waterson (27:48)
No.
It's all good.
Sometimes it depends. sometimes you're lying to yourself, but sometimes it's helpful. if we go back to that dial idea, right? Sometimes you need to have some form of low level stimulation on in order to focus. Like that is true, especially with ADHD. Like silence can actually be quite loud. know, things happening, it can be quite like, what is that noise? What's going on? My fridge is really loud. Who knew?
Brian Nelson-Palmer (28:13)
Okay, say more.
Skye Waterson (28:40)
so that can happen. Background noise can be good, but you and I both know that sometimes there is that background noise that you're convincing yourself is helpful, but it's actually super distracting and actually getting anything done feels like you're kind of wading through a pile of distraction to get to it. So if that's you, you might want to dial it down to some music or something.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (29:02)
So is that I'm thinking of two things as we're talking about this one would be if you have the TV on, that's one thing, but the TV cannot be in your line of sight. Meaning if you OK, if it's if you're trying to actually be productive, then you shouldn't be able to see the screen because if you see the screen, you're just going to turn and you're going to watch it and you're not actually going to work. You're just going to be distracted. So is it having friends on in the background where like the TV show Friends or something where you already know the words and it's back there, but you're not actually watching it? Or does that matter?
Skye Waterson (29:24)
Hmm.
Yeah, I don't necessarily agree. You have to have it hidden. You can have it viewable. you will naturally look at something and it could add a little bit of visual stimulation to help you stay engaged. But the most important thing is the fact that it has to be something you don't care about. You're not going to pay attention to like the news is a terrible version of this. friends that you've watched a million times is probably a better example. but if you catch yourself just kind of staring at it and watching the episode, and then when the episode ends,
going back to work, then you've probably dialed up too much. You need to dial it down.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (30:07)
And the other thing that comes to mind for me is words versus no words in music. So the, the turbo music that I talked about, it does not have words. And that's important because when you think about your focus, we are an auditory society and that you hear and you process things. Many people are auditory learners. Some people are visual learners. Everybody's a little different, but for the most part, we communicate ever since we were a kid, we've communicated through words and through listening to words. So,
Skye Waterson (30:13)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (30:36)
By having no lyrics, no words in the music, it allows you to focus in a little more because you're not processing. There's not a part of your brain that's processing the words that are coming in. You don't have to comprehend what friends is saying in the background when it's on the TV, because there are no other words. So the only words you're hearing are your own as you're thinking through whatever the problem is you're working through. is that but but is that.
Skye Waterson (30:44)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Uh huh. Yeah.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (31:04)
different for that's still true for folks with ADHD or it's a little different. What are your thoughts?
Skye Waterson (31:11)
It gets really personal. that's when I work with people, we will build out a dial that fits them. And some people tell me it's got to be nothing. It can't even be music. has to be like white noise. And some people say there has to be something. And so, you know, it might be something like, just like coffee shop background noises is helpful for people. Like there's words, but they're not important, but there's that feeling of being in community. Sometimes that can be the case. So I would say there's no.
There's no research that indicates one or the other is better that I have found specifically, at least for ADHD people. It's more of an experimentation process, which is what I recommend always is like experimentation and then like figuring out what's working for you based on that experimentation.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (31:58)
Got it. Okay, that's really helpful. All right, so now onto the next one then. I heard people say, or somebody I've heard said, people with ADHD can't be detail oriented. Myth or truth?
Skye Waterson (32:14)
Myths sometimes. one thing is that if you have combined ADHD and autism, that's obviously a different thing. And that can happen a lot. But also people with ADHD can be really detail-oriented about their focus of interest. So sometimes, you know, if you've ever seen an ADHD person plan out their day when they're really hyper-focused on doing so,
Brian Nelson-Palmer (32:16)
Sometimes.
Skye Waterson (32:41)
they might have put every single thing that's gonna happen that day in the calendar. And they can be super detail orientated about it. And sometimes if they've set up a plan and you try and go and change the plan because you have executive functioning ability to do that, they can be super resistant to changing the plan. Cause they're like, no, I have to do it like this in this order or else I have to rethink the whole thing. This is something I teach people to do how to build more flexible systems. But if you don't have those, you can get quite focused.
I've never met anyone with ADHD who's detail-oriented, oriented across everything. That's what I would say.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (33:21)
Got it. Okay. So it kind of depends. Okay, here's another one. Someone with ADHD can't handle leadership roles.
Skye Waterson (33:32)
Your boss probably has ADHD. More likely than you. Your CEO almost definitely has ADHD.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (33:42)
And what? So, say more on this. Why? Why that? Is it just because since they've never fit into anybody else's mold, they make it all the way to the top so that they don't have to fit in anybody mold? They make the mold like what is that? Say more.
Skye Waterson (33:56)
can be a little bit of that. I mean, I think it's funny because when I work with business owners, they all have it. It's gotten to the point where I'm just like, I could just say I work with business owners and then that would be, yeah, I wouldn't even need to say the ADHD part. And then occasionally someone would say, by the way, I don't have ADHD. And I'd be like, that's so interesting. Because that can be how it works. But it's because of the strengths of ADHD. So when we look at the research, creative problem solving, creative thinking,
The ability to move, to move fast, to make decisions combined with, like you said, the inability to work a job. Like if you talk to a lot of entrepreneurs and business owners, they'll be like, yeah, I would not be able to do your job. That can all put you in a space where you really have almost no choice but to try and go for those top spots.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (34:44)
Got it. Or you work for yourself because you can't work in for anybody else. You can't focus for. That's an interesting, interesting observation that there might be more folks with ADHD in the entrepreneurship realm. That's a ooh, I never made that connection in my head. That's an interesting one. OK.
Skye Waterson (34:47)
Yeah, exactly.
changes the game,
that's why I'm so passionate about it, right? You start to rethink the whole thing.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (35:08)
Now there's a lot of super successful like so the phrase was someone with ADHD can't handle leadership roles, but they are in leadership roles. So clearly they can handle leadership roles. It's just a question, I guess, of how gracefully and how well they handle it and how successful that business ultimately is, is probably a functional.
Skye Waterson (35:30)
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, everybody has had terrible bosses, right? Terrible, you know, entrepreneur and some entrepreneurs really don't succeed because they don't know how to handle people. If you're going to go from, you know, that 300,000 to a million space, you're going to need to learn how to work with people. You know, if you're under 300, you can kind of white knuckle it yourself, but post that you need a team. So at that point, you're really looking at, yeah, those leadership skills. And a lot of what I do is I help
simplify the scorecards and those kinds of systems and help people empower people to work through them because that's a really important part of it. But I would say with ADHD leadership, it's kind of a skill like everything else. I people with ADHD are more likely to be quick to feelings, happiness, anger, all of them. And that is a straw. And you'll probably find that there's a ton of entrepreneurs out there who have a very
specific kind of rituals and systems that they've put in place to manage their day. And that's part of the reason.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (36:36)
You know, that's funny as you think about some of the. This just happened to me the other day. I was I'm in Florida and I have a in our condo. We have a we had our ducks cleaned and the person who came in told me that when we were paying the bill we were settling up at the end. They said, well, there is a 3 % charge for credit card and I I personally can't stand it when that
Skye Waterson (37:02)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (37:06)
It's like, look, if you want my money, you need to take it however I want to give it to you. Like, come on now. Don't. All right. Three percent. That's then you write it in, raise the cost by three percent and just let me pay with credit card if you want to. But don't don't do that. But they still do. And I just wrote that off as, you know, some people being old and not understanding technology because they also could have accepted Zell with no fee. So the whole concept of a credit card being a fee. Well, you also could have Zell Venmo. There's ways for me to transfer you cash.
that doesn't cost anything. But what's funny is I just thought this is I pictured the person in my head that I pictured. this person must be one of those old people who should have retired years ago, but now they just do it the way that they've always done it. And now we're saying this and I'm going, or maybe they have ADHD and the way that they do it is the way that they do it and don't change it because then I'd have to rethink it and I don't want to.
Like that's a.
Skye Waterson (38:05)
Yeah, or maybe
that's a detail that they haven't, you know, sometimes when we are ADHD entrepreneurs, really need an EA or a director to help us like spot those little details that really annoy the customers. And if you don't have that kind of support, you can miss those things.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (38:23)
True. Good deal. OK, I had one more one more for you. This is a myth. So is it a myth or not? Hyper focus is a superpower of people with ADHD.
Skye Waterson (38:40)
No, it's not a superpower if you don't know how to use it. So if you don't know how to use it and the yeah.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (38:42)
Okay.
Can you now rewind for people who
don't know we said hyper focus talk about context of what is hyper focus? What do we mean by that with people with ADHD?
Skye Waterson (39:01)
So hyper focus is the concept that you will get really locked into something and you will do it for hours. So once you're in, you're kind of locked in and you know, especially if it's something that's interesting to you with ADHD, you can go from not working on something to building an entire website, which I've totally done in like 24 hours, you know, building an entire website and a whole thing and just like starting a business in 24 hours or building out a new product launch.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (39:29)
Mm-hmm.
Skye Waterson (39:29)
And
you have, once you're in, it's like almost as if you're working memory and everything is online and you're like rushing to do it all before you lose the enthusiasm basically.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (39:40)
Got it. And so so the phrase was hyper focus is a superpower of people with ADHD and you said no. So now say more on that.
Skye Waterson (39:49)
So I said, I said, no, if you don't have the strategies to manage it basically, because hyper focus on its own can be really destructive. can be like, I didn't get the work that I needed to do done, but I deep dived into this new hobby that I bought $300 worth of product for, and now I'm busy crocheting a hat. You know, like that can be a day in the life of ADHD and hyper focus. So if you.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (40:11)
Right.
Skye Waterson (40:16)
If you channel it in the right direction towards the thing that you are actually going to do, then that works. And if you know how to step out of focus, so we talked about stepping into focus, how to step out of focus so that you don't do this thing for six hours and burn out and need a day off tomorrow to recover, then that is also doable. But unless you have those two things, you're just kind of in a world of like, what's going to take me over next? And I have no idea.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (40:45)
Yeah. So is there a way to... You talked about the tools. there a way, like what's a preview? What do you mean by a tool that will help you control it?
Skye Waterson (40:58)
Yeah. So the first thing I will say is that hyper-focus really is mostly for things that you're interested in. So if you're like, I'm going to hyper-focus on my really boring job, the chances are that's going to be pretty difficult. In that case, you're probably trying to like keep the hyper-focus to the weekends. If you have a job that you're interested in and you'll tend to hyper-focus on parts of it, then the problem becomes the opposite. And that's about how to stop. So the step into focus routine I taught you before, you just do that backwards.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (41:22)
Yeah.
Skye Waterson (41:27)
So you just go from like working on something to kind of writing notes and tinkering around like this is I'm gonna do next. Like giving yourself that working memory support. Then you like turn on music and on TV and on notifications, you write about what you've done and what you're gonna do next. And then you take a break. So you're kind of going up the stairs.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (41:49)
Got it instead of coming down. Okay, that makes sense. Now what work, that was my last one on the miss. So now I'm just curious in general, what are your, what recommendations do you offer someone with ADHD to be more productive?
Skye Waterson (42:04)
That's a great question. So I work on like a couple of different things. So most people who come to me, they're struggling with overwhelm, stuck or inconsistent. I don't know where to start. Even if I know where to start, I don't know how to start. And if I do know how to start, I don't know how to do it consistently. So what I teach is I support around, you know, the prioritization filter, which like I said, you can DM me on Instagram and I'll just give that one to you.
how to make really good decisions, how to step into focus, how to actually get started, which is what we talked about, organization, then ADHD dopamine. And this is a little bit different. You know, I haven't seen this one around, but essentially looking at like what, you know, think about your five senses. Like what are all the different sensory things, touch, taste, smell.
site, you sometimes we think about ourselves as overstimulated, but we can be under stimulated across all of our senses. And what can we do to increase the sensory stimulation in your workspace specifically? And how do we stack that to kind of be like, it's not that bad. There's like a plant and some music and there's like, you know, pretty things to look at and eat and stuff, you know, things like that.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (43:19)
And now what would you also tell? So what would you tell their coworkers? Who here this advice like what? What basically? Would you tell their coworkers to share this advice or like this episode or that with them? Or if not, then what would you tell them to share? Like is it a if you work with somebody who has a hard time focusing, it's kind of hard to say.
Skye Waterson (43:26)
I'm sorry about the plant.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (43:48)
You know, I think you might have ADHD. You should listen to this like that. That doesn't come across well. So what advice do you give to the coworkers or the managers or that are that are noticing or seeing this stuff?
Skye Waterson (43:51)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No.
This is a great question. actually worked with New Zealand's intelligence agency to help them with this exact problem because they came to me because they were like, why everybody in our intelligence agency has ADHD. What do we do? And, know, the biggest thing is really what I, what I would expect you would do for everyone, which is how do you work best and how can I help you do that? So asking them those two questions and then trying to figure out how to help them.
with the answer to those questions.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (44:31)
So even a brainstorming session on helping them understand like, okay, well, like we were talking about your tool belt of if you need to dial in and be productive, what do you do? What are the tools in your tool belt? Do you, you know, is it music? Is it focused music? Is it dialing it stepping in? Like you talked about, is it, do they have three or four tools? If they don't, can you help them find some share some of yours? But that's a way to sort of like hint at it. And maybe you can share that some of those tools.
Skye Waterson (44:47)
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (45:01)
do come from tools that help people with ADHD, but you're not telling them that they have a problem. You're just sharing solutions. And it's like that kind of thing.
Skye Waterson (45:09)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't even necessarily say that they have ADHD. I make it a rule not to diagnose anybody and I literally do this. But because sometimes they could have had head trauma and you don't know, so it could be other things as well. But number one thing is I ask them how they're gonna work, how they work best because when I'm working with ADHD clients and they're not comfortable disclosing,
Then I recommend that they say that this is how I work best. work best in this environment with this kind of deadline, with this kind of support. And then they can go, well, I want you to work best. Like I want you to do your best in this environment. So let's help you with that. And then nobody has to have that conversation unless they want to have it. because it's a long journey to get ADHD diagnosed. And you might say that they, think they have ADHD and then they get diagnosed and they're
you know, psychiatrists says they don't and maybe the psychiatrist is even wrong, but they just don't like diagnosing people with ADHD. Like you go down a whole journey. Yeah.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (46:15)
Right. Yeah,
yeah. OK, that makes sense. Now, what does this mean for you personally, Skye? Like this is a I mean, you suffer from it. That makes sense. But what is it that a lot of people go through life and never tell people about this and they try to minimize it as not a part of my life? And instead you dove in the deep end and like are all about it. So like what talk about what the thing for you.
Skye Waterson (46:31)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean, my vision, my goal is to build a program, which I've already built that has, you know, that supports so many business owners with ADHD who then go on to be public about it, that they have to reorganize the whole diagnostic process.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (47:04)
Wow, OK, reorganize how? that's a that's a lot.
Skye Waterson (47:06)
So that's what I mean by that is
like the DSM is what they use to diagnose people and every couple of years the DSM gets updated. So changes get made to the DSM and what, you know, the diagnostic and statistical manual. So when your psychiatrist diagnoses you, they, I mean, they don't really, there's no internet now, but they'd open like a big book and like look through it. And yeah, that's kind of the old school. Yeah. And so that's where the like,
Brian Nelson-Palmer (47:17)
DSM would have said.
right? What are all the things? Okay, got it. Yeah, yeah.
Skye Waterson (47:33)
the Bible of what it looks like to be ADHD and theoretically they're supposed to be using that. And so, you know, what I want to do, like My goal is to help, you know, with Unconventional Organisation to help so many people develop the strategies to support their weaknesses and go and develop their strengths that they have to change how they think about ADHD and what it means. They've done it before and I think they can do it again.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (48:02)
That's awesome. Well, Skye here, here's what thank you so much for joining me on the show today. Here's what I love. I love that you've taken this passion or this thing that you suffer from or work with or suffer from sounds like the wrong term, but this thing that you deal with and that you have and that it's now become a passion and that you're helping others with it. But really, I love that you have embraced it and love it because oftentimes when we talk about
diseases or things that people struggle with. I'm a perfect example. I'm a diabetic. I don't like talking about diabetes. I don't want to be somebody's superpower diabetes resource. I personally don't like it at all and I don't want to talk about it. So the fact that not only do you have this thing and that you've embraced it and that it is something that you love and are helping others with that. I think that's such a powerful position to come from. And so I just love that you're doing this. Thanks for sharing some of that with us today.
Skye Waterson (49:00)
Thanks, I'm happy to.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (49:02)
And for folks who want to know, you mentioned that if they you said if they message you, if they DM you direct message you on Instagram, you will send it to them. But what are what are the best ways for people to keep in touch with you if they want to keep in touch with you later?
Skye Waterson (49:09)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah. So you can find me UnconventionalOrganisation.com. That's my website. So you can find our podcast, the ADHD skills lab, where we go through some of this research, we make it fun, I promise. And we also have articles. And if you want to talk to me and ask me, you know, workbooks, et cetera, best way to do that is through Instagram at unconventional organisation with an S. And I do have a coaching program. Like I said, I help entrepreneurs with ADHD.
I build a focused balanced growth blueprint for them and, we work through it together. in order to sort of apply for that, you have to reach out to me or fill out a form on the, and we'll see if you're a good fit.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (49:56)
And for all that stuff she's talking about, I'm going to go through that website, find those links. And if you check your show notes right now, it'll be linked right there so that you can check out some of these things that Skye's talking about. So, and for you tuning in, for you listening, do you have a friend or colleague who either suffers from ADHD or somebody that you've laughed about it with or talked about it with, or that shared conversations with ADHD about, would you share? Here's my request. Would you share?
the link to this episode specifically with them, send them a text, not a message, not an email, but a text to their phone. Because I know that Sky and I would love to know that our conversation today touched people that are facing ADHD and that the few text messages back and forth. That means so much more than posting on social media. Social media is a bunch of distractions anyway. So if you text them and then you get to chat with them and catch up and like that.
Skye Waterson (50:44)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Nelson-Palmer (50:50)
somebody who comes to mind that you might not have talked to in a bit. If you'll share this episode with him, I think that it'd be fun for you and it would be wonderful for Skye and I. whether you've jumped in and joined my membership already or you've taken the first step of just joining my email list, or maybe this is your very first episode listening to productivity gladiator. Regardless, I love sharing Productivity Gladiator with you because together these productivity skills are going to change your life. That's a wrap.